David Goggins on Mastering Mindset | Episode 730

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[00:09] so I think for most of our listeners

[00:12] having heard your backstory your list of

[00:15] accomplishments at this point seemed

[00:17] unreal to them right obviously going

[00:20] through ultra marathon running logging

[00:23] the miles you've logged the chin-ups

[00:25] everything that you've done physically

[00:28] right when most people hear it they're

[00:30] like well that's impossible is my first

[00:31] thought the first my first exposure to

[00:34] you was your interview with Joe Rogan

[00:36] right and I'm watching it and I'm

[00:38] sitting like this guy cannot be for real

[00:40] there's no [ __ ] way

[00:42] and of course I'm instantly a Wikipedian

[00:44] I'm like holy [ __ ] right there's video

[00:46] footage okay so now I'm just gonna shut

[00:50] my mouth but I'm gonna listen to what

[00:52] this guy has to say because obviously my

[00:55] mind is blown out of the gate and I also

[00:58] wanted to start just by saying that you

[01:01] know that all of us in life hear things

[01:05] write read things and see things that

[01:09] instantly change our perception of

[01:12] things from that point on right and and

[01:16] we it's rare that we ever get to give

[01:20] thanks to those sources right so I want

[01:24] to thank you I appreciate that because

[01:27] after that interview with broken the way

[01:30] I had looked at my waking up in the

[01:33] morning and working out and starting

[01:35] today instantly changed from that point

[01:38] forward so thank you and that mantra of

[01:42] whatever you don't like doing do it

[01:44] right love it

[01:46] do something you [ __ ] hate every day

[01:48] sure thing is is jarring for most people

[01:51] to hear because because most of us seek

[01:53] out our comfort zone hmm and for you

[01:57] your comfort zone with dealing with some

[02:00] social anxiety and introversion is to

[02:02] turn inward right so how have you been

[02:06] able to rebuild yourself because one of

[02:09] the mantras we hear on your videos is I

[02:11] built this [ __ ] right so I take

[02:14] a lot of passion and who I am as a

[02:15] person as you here as this podcast gets

[02:18] going and going and going what you're

[02:20] going to do is you're going to transform

[02:22] me from this guy right now that's kind

[02:24] of chilled out in this room david

[02:26] Goggins to Goggins and i had to invent

[02:29] this person david Goggins is an

[02:31] introverted soft kid that got beat up

[02:35] growing up and mindset had to lie to

[02:38] create friends to get friends to be

[02:40] accepted so my my life has really been

[02:46] about two people very scary but two

[02:48] people I had to invent a whole nother

[02:50] human being to get outside of my comfort

[02:55] zone and that human being became Goggins

[02:58] Goggins is like the guy that walked out

[03:01] of the the phone booth he's like that

[03:04] Superman that walks out the phone booth

[03:06] and I was talking to my fiancee today

[03:08] about it's kind of strange how sometimes

[03:10] I have a conversation between David

[03:13] Goggins and Goggins and Goggins would

[03:15] tell David Goggins about the [ __ ] he's

[03:18] done and David gods like what the hell

[03:20] man why are you doing that that's nuts

[03:22] so it's kind of this battle between

[03:24] trying to find more of yourself knowing

[03:28] that the real you is afraid likes

[03:31] comfort likes living in the world that

[03:34] is a that likes to pat you on the back

[03:36] give you the things that you want to

[03:38] hear not the things that you have to

[03:40] hear to get better so that's where all

[03:43] this kind of started from and when

[03:45] people hear this podcast they're gonna

[03:46] hear a lot of things that they're gonna

[03:49] want to put a title on me they're gonna

[03:52] definitely want to put a title on me to

[03:53] make themselves feel better I asked him

[03:56] during this podcast do not do that do

[03:58] not look at what you're going to hear

[04:00] put a title on me because because

[04:02] basically what you're doing is you're

[04:03] giving yourself a get-out-of-jail-free

[04:04] card exists all you're doing so all

[04:07] you're doing saying this guy was some

[04:08] super freak he found some super thing in

[04:12] his brain that was locked up he

[04:14] Unleashed it and became this guy it's a

[04:17] [ __ ] lie because every day I wake up

[04:19] I dread the day I dread the day of what

[04:24] I'm gonna bring on myself to get better

[04:27] so and when did Goggins this alter-ego

[04:31] appear in your life for the first time

[04:33] Gaga's appeared and disappeared

[04:35] times okay it appeared the first time in

[04:39] I was 17 and we'll get to that but it

[04:41] really appeared when I gained about a

[04:44] hundred and twenty-five pounds

[04:46] I went from 175 to 300 pounds almost and

[04:51] lowest part of my life I was in a [ __ ]

[04:55] up relationship I was making no money

[04:58] I'm spraying for cockroaches and all

[05:00] this stuff was just coming on me and I

[05:03] was like I have to find something and I

[05:07] Goggins came out like through all my

[05:10] insecurities all my fears all my doubts

[05:12] on my introverted ways I used to stutter

[05:14] real bad

[05:15] everything I did I had to find strength

[05:17] in that and that's kind of what happened

[05:20] about 24 years old okay and the story if

[05:24] I recall correctly is walking in to try

[05:28] to become a Navy SEAL into a recruiters

[05:30] office and basically getting left out of

[05:32] the office it happened about seven times

[05:35] okay so I give people like the quick

[05:37] version the quick version I give them

[05:39] one episode this is about two weeks and

[05:42] in my book I go through it you know I

[05:44] was sitting on the couch saw this show

[05:46] in Discovery Channel and that started

[05:48] the process of I think I want to be a

[05:50] Navy SEAL

[05:51] so I started called up different

[05:53] Cooter's walking into some some guy said

[05:55] to me you're fat and you're black he was

[05:58] an observant [ __ ] no black guy

[06:01] walking he's very observant so that kind

[06:04] of went on for a while and until I met

[06:06] one recruiter and one recruiter saw

[06:09] something in me that no one else saw and

[06:12] gave me a shot and gave me a shot and a

[06:15] challenge right I come back lose the

[06:17] weight right so basically I walked in I

[06:19] had about three months a little less

[06:21] than three months to lose 106 pounds so

[06:24] I was like this is [ __ ] impossible

[06:26] man I can't do that and at that time I

[06:28] had no real drive to be a Navy SEAL to

[06:31] be anything I just knew something had to

[06:34] change that I had to that this isn't

[06:37] gonna work man that this lifestyle that

[06:39] I'm living something has changed so I

[06:41] went to work that day and I spraying for

[06:42] cockroaches and lo and behold is a very

[06:45] bad day at work I found a whole bunch of

[06:47] cockroaches road

[06:48] there's a bad restaurant and I came home

[06:52] I quit my job that day I was driving

[06:55] home and I said guys I gotta [ __ ] do

[06:56] something and I said I'm gonna go home

[06:58] and run four miles in four miles only a

[07:01] quarter-mile and then from there the

[07:04] story really begins from that point and

[07:07] I feel like that's such a crossroad in

[07:10] everyone's life where someone tells you

[07:12] you can't you're not good enough

[07:13] don't even try give up right and when

[07:16] you're staring that self-doubt and

[07:17] wanting to quit in the face can you at

[07:21] least speak to the listeners who are

[07:22] feeling that right now what would you

[07:23] say to yourself at that point well I

[07:25] understand it it's a miserable place I

[07:28] can like now them go in there now you

[07:30] have me I'm living on that couch right

[07:33] now with that milkshake in my hand

[07:35] thinking about how the [ __ ] am I gonna

[07:37] pull this off I feel like that moment is

[07:41] relatable to everyone right and a lot of

[07:44] us have multiple moments like that in

[07:47] our lives and most of us choose the

[07:49] easier route quit and we'll talk a

[07:53] little bit more about this you know some

[07:55] of us get coaches and mentors and

[07:57] trainers to kind of help us push through

[07:59] that right you're sitting there on the

[08:00] couch it's you right there's no one

[08:03] there's no seal yelling in your hair

[08:05] saying get the [ __ ] up we got to do this

[08:06] and the other thing and we were talking

[08:09] about this on the way over is we're

[08:12] living in this world where you don't

[08:14] want to upset anybody you don't want to

[08:15] tell them though you don't want to tell

[08:17] them they're not good enough you don't

[08:18] want to hurt them and then cuz they

[08:21] might feel bad right

[08:22] and it's we already have that feeling

[08:26] within us and if you stop that out what

[08:29] is going to drive you to get to get

[08:31] better well that's what I realized for

[08:33] myself was I wanted that comfort zone

[08:36] everybody looks for that pad in the back

[08:39] they don't want to hear all the bad [ __ ]

[08:41] they want everything that they're doing

[08:42] right and I realized ask me what kept me

[08:45] in this world that's what kept me in

[08:48] this world I've not accomplishing

[08:49] anything so what I did was I became that

[08:53] big bad nasty [ __ ] that you

[08:56] don't want to walk into at nighttime I

[08:58] became the roughest critic in the world

[09:02] myself and that's what changed me I

[09:05] literally saw myself in the mirror

[09:07] I saw the truth versus saying you know

[09:10] my dad did this to me from you know from

[09:12] beating me

[09:13] kids in school from call me [ __ ] did

[09:15] this to me my life do this to me my

[09:17] [ __ ] up broken foundation to this to

[09:19] me I took that and said you know what

[09:22] well some people may help this happen

[09:24] but now I have to own this no one's

[09:28] gonna come back to save me no one's

[09:30] gonna come back on this [ __ ] couch

[09:31] and say hey it's okay you're gonna be

[09:35] okay no I'm not I'm not gonna be okay I

[09:38] didn't realize I had to take a stand to

[09:41] make a real stand and it was painful to

[09:44] look at who I like who I was what the

[09:47] world and myself created it created a

[09:51] very lonely depressed insecure man that

[09:55] would do anything just to have a friend

[09:57] and I saw that as very pathetic when you

[10:01] look at the truth it becomes very ugly

[10:03] and pathetic so so you lose the weight

[10:06] you show back up at the recruiters

[10:08] office right he's got to be surprised oh

[10:11] hell what would happen was in the real

[10:16] story how that happens is I would call

[10:19] this guy up at almost every night about

[10:22] 10:30 11 o'clock at night and give him

[10:25] an update Wow

[10:26] I said hey man I've lost 25 [ __ ]

[10:29] pounds because no one knew what I was

[10:32] doing you know I had to I had to have

[10:34] some so I'm really good at creating an

[10:37] enemy I'm really good at at creating

[10:40] something that I'm against and I'm also

[10:42] good at if you ever tell me something

[10:46] that I cannot do I'm gonna let you know

[10:49] that I'm doing it somehow somehow you're

[10:52] gonna [ __ ] know one way or another

[10:54] that I'm doing it it may not be like in

[10:57] your face it may I may make sure that I

[11:00] run across the daggone world so then

[11:02] it's on the news and you turn the news

[11:04] on so how the hell I want to do

[11:06] something that you know I'm here I'm

[11:08] here so every every time I lose like a

[11:12] big significant amount of weight I call

[11:14] that recruiter up say hey man

[11:15] I'm here I'm here and before I knew it

[11:19] man

[11:19] this guy became almost like my best

[11:22] friend at that time because he started

[11:24] seeing I started actually changed in his

[11:26] life you know I started to see though he

[11:28] started seeing Wow man like I'm glad I

[11:30] took a shot on this guy right and I not

[11:33] only that lose weight I had to go back

[11:35] and take the ASVAB test again was like a

[11:36] watered down SAT a couple more times

[11:39] just to get in the navy seal so it was a

[11:41] big process so that so that three months

[11:43] was packed full of like failures

[11:46] depression even more but what I found

[11:48] out in that whole three months I lived a

[11:51] lifetime in that three months I started

[11:53] realizing if I can flip if I can flip

[11:56] these insecurities upside down if I can

[11:59] flip this fear if I can flip all this

[12:01] [ __ ] that made me this depressed

[12:03] insecure guy if I can flip it and make

[12:06] it work for me versus against me I

[12:08] started seeing the power the power and

[12:11] failure the power and insecurities the

[12:14] power and self-doubt because I looked at

[12:18] everybody it may not be true but as I

[12:20] looked at everybody being way above me

[12:21] now talk to myself if I can be at the

[12:24] lowest part in the world in the sewer

[12:26] and be able to overcome all this [ __ ] I

[12:29] started using that as power that slowly

[12:32] started passing the guys from Harvard

[12:35] the guys from MIT the guys who were

[12:38] these great from great families and [ __ ]

[12:41] I'm like oh my god I'm catching up I'm

[12:43] catching up I had nothing so I started

[12:46] flipping it and using this power and I

[12:48] feel like we've definitely interviewed a

[12:50] lot of successful people and almost all

[12:52] of them have this chip on their shoulder

[12:54] right that they developed from that

[12:56] bully in school that one moment that one

[12:59] criticism that says you can't here you

[13:01] are doing all this just to sign up for

[13:04] then hell week right right which is one

[13:06] of the most difficult weeks on the

[13:07] planet to begin with right and you had

[13:09] to go through all of this and obviously

[13:12] whenever you're training there are good

[13:14] days and bad dates right hey Johnny and

[13:17] I were laughing about this obviously

[13:19] half marathon nowhere near ultramarathon

[13:21] but you're tracking right you're looking

[13:23] at your time you're looking at your

[13:24] splits you're trying to do better and

[13:25] some days you just don't have it

[13:27] and I feel like in those moments where

[13:30] you don't have it you know you don't

[13:33] have it how do you flip that switch to

[13:36] get that extra ounce of energy because

[13:38] once I know that pilot light is lit and

[13:40] that water is boiling well then you feel

[13:42] like you can take on everything right

[13:44] but a lot of us are feeling our pilot

[13:46] light flicker and that self-doubt creep

[13:48] back in even though we're challenging

[13:49] ourselves well there's something that I

[13:51] invented a long time ago and when you

[13:55] have nothing to draw from I was able to

[13:58] find strength in every molecule of this

[14:00] earth I'm able to be in a room with

[14:02] nothing and with no motivation no

[14:04] inspiration nothing and find it so what

[14:07] I did in those situation was I invent

[14:08] this thing called taking Souls when

[14:11] everybody's all [ __ ] up and you're

[14:13] exhausted and you're weak and you're

[14:14] tired and you're looking around and

[14:16] everybody looks as bad as you or even

[14:19] worse I'm like you know what I want to

[14:22] now make a statement it's the perfect

[14:26] time to make a statement to make a

[14:28] statement to let you know where your

[14:30] life ends in mine begins and so the

[14:34] statement there is I muster up every bit

[14:36] of strength from their looks on their

[14:38] faces and how they feel and how I'm

[14:41] gonna now from my childhood where I came

[14:45] from

[14:46] how's the bottom of the barrel I'm now

[14:48] amongst all these uncommon people I'm

[14:50] now going to now make you feel like your

[14:52] common so I used their their sadness

[14:57] their weakness their parts of their life

[15:00] oh god this sucks I'm like all poopy

[15:02] pants too messed up I used that for my

[15:05] strength and I have this moment of like

[15:08] let's say we're in the sand running or

[15:11] whatever I will do a surge I will do

[15:14] something everybody's like how the [ __ ]

[15:15] is he doing this and from that that look

[15:19] on their face that feeling of God man

[15:21] this guy must be something something

[15:23] special it didn't services me further

[15:25] and further and faster and harder for a

[15:28] long time so it's energies everywhere

[15:32] but the thing is it's so loud that that

[15:35] that voice in your head of pain and

[15:37] suffering and discomfort and I don't

[15:39] want to do this is so loud

[15:41] that you're unable to really calm it

[15:43] down it's okay there's something here

[15:45] it's a patient calm that you have to

[15:48] bring your substitute I know I have

[15:50] something here but that voice is so

[15:52] powerful that it's once you just let's

[15:54] leave right we're done we're done

[15:56] it's passes you out and you want to go

[15:58] versus saying let's take a second hang

[16:01] on before we spaz the [ __ ] out hang on

[16:04] and in that moment you can think clearly

[16:07] and find that strength out there for you

[16:09] you know it's when you when you look at

[16:13] the history of the world and you see a

[16:15] lot of hardship that a lot of human

[16:17] beings had been put in and a lot of

[16:20] times against their will

[16:21] say that a gulag or a prison camp or

[16:24] something like this and you hear the

[16:26] stories of things that they had to do in

[16:28] the middle of winter it's it's 20 below

[16:31] and they're out building something and

[16:32] they barely have any clothes and they

[16:34] have holes in their shoes and you think

[16:36] to yourself how are they even surviving

[16:39] in those situations and I think it's the

[16:41] old adage of if there's why you will

[16:44] figure out how and so it's these times

[16:51] that we see what the human spirit is

[16:52] actually made of but when you're able to

[16:55] flip that around and use something like

[16:58] that to build you up rather than

[17:01] somebody putting you into something like

[17:04] that to break you down I mean it it's

[17:06] how powerful is is that right and I

[17:09] don't think anyone gets to truly

[17:11] experience those limits unless well

[17:14] that's certainly in today's day unless

[17:16] you're putting yourself in it to get

[17:18] stronger right well I know one thing and

[17:21] this is a true statement that I've said

[17:22] several times a lot of us don't know of

[17:27] a whole nother world that exists it's on

[17:30] the other side of suffering once you

[17:33] break these barriers that you have made

[17:36] for yourself like the mind is the most

[17:39] powerful thing in the world in the world

[17:41] it is so amazing that ice to be a

[17:43] 300-pound guy and I thought that was it

[17:46] could barely read could do anything and

[17:48] now that what was inside that person was

[17:53] this guy that's in front of the day

[17:54] that's how scary the mind is and that's

[17:57] I started realizing through this journey

[17:58] is that once I got a taste of wow man I

[18:03] haven't even cracked I haven't even

[18:06] begun to crack what the mind is capable

[18:08] of and I started realizing this on the

[18:11] other end of suffering that's the real

[18:13] growth of life because you realize how

[18:16] the mind processes [ __ ] and I talk about

[18:19] another thing called theory and practice

[18:20] a lot of people are theorists they these

[18:24] smart guys that read these [ __ ] books

[18:26] and [ __ ] man and they sit down they tell

[18:27] you what the mind is supposed to do and

[18:30] a lot of us listen to that [ __ ] it

[18:31] becomes like this is it man

[18:33] this this old man who has been studying

[18:37] the mind forever

[18:38] this is the cap that we have by being a

[18:42] practitioner I went out and realized a

[18:45] lot of these guys are so wrong man the

[18:48] mind has capabilities that are so

[18:50] unknown I found that through suffering

[18:52] and there's a whole nother world on the

[18:54] other end of that and I feel like

[18:56] there's the physical governor that your

[18:58] body kicks in and says I can't do this

[19:00] and then there's the mental governor

[19:02] right and a lot of us allow the mental

[19:05] governor to kick in far earlier than

[19:08] necessary right and I've always found

[19:12] that at the moment that that kicks in

[19:14] and you push the other side of it hmm

[19:17] you actually get this surge of physical

[19:19] energy sort of feeling that capable of

[19:22] anything that's superhuman power but

[19:24] most of us try to avoid even getting

[19:26] close to the governor right I called

[19:28] that my 40% rule where like a car has a

[19:31] governor on it didn't go 130 you know

[19:35] the governor's on there go 91 right and

[19:37] the whole thing about that it's a truth

[19:39] table but you know like like what you

[19:40] said our mind wants to protect us the

[19:44] mind is like honestly it has a tactical

[19:47] advantage over us it knows our deepest

[19:50] darkest fears or insecurities it knows

[19:52] where we start to feel we start getting

[19:56] that doubt creeping that says hey man

[19:58] you know what man maybe this isn't good

[19:59] let's go back home to the wife it's good

[20:01] I come to the kids this is not

[20:03] comfortable so in that moment the mind

[20:05] directs us it's a protective mechanism

[20:07] it saves us for doing bodily harm or or

[20:12] it really saves us from discovering that

[20:15] demise like I want to be in charge of

[20:17] you I don't want you to be in charge of

[20:20] me so it tells you let's just stop right

[20:22] here but once you start breaking through

[20:24] that barrier and start breaking down

[20:27] that governor the governor that you've

[20:29] put in your mind because we forget we

[20:31] are in control of our mind we believe

[20:36] it's the other way around

[20:37] no we put in our minds what we should do

[20:41] but we believe our mind is telling us

[20:44] this give us all this feedback we have

[20:46] to reprogram it and tell us no no we're

[20:49] good we're good we got it this sucks but

[20:52] it's okay and I think one of the

[20:55] remarkable things about the

[20:56] transformation in the beginning was you

[20:59] know here after completing over 60

[21:01] ultramarathons

[21:02] you it seems like you're genetically

[21:03] gifted miles are no problem but at the

[21:06] start getting just over a mile was a

[21:08] struggle

[21:09] yeah and quit was at the forefront of

[21:11] your mind the entire time so for our

[21:14] listeners who are like man I can't run

[21:16] that I can't do this physical stuff like

[21:18] that's great mental toughness but I I'm

[21:20] not even meant for the physical side of

[21:22] things talk a little bit to us about

[21:24] that mile marker one mile marker to two

[21:28] now looking for unlimited miles right

[21:31] well the first big thing is once again

[21:33] it goes back to open mindedness if you

[21:37] walk into any kind of event whether it

[21:42] be physical or mental if you walk in

[21:44] with already putting that block on your

[21:46] mind if man this ain't gonna happen

[21:48] people go how did you gonna hurt 35

[21:51] miles to death badness so how'd you 100

[21:53] miles with no training because I went

[21:56] into it not thinking I can't do this man

[21:58] I went to it with the strategy I had

[22:01] open mindedness so until your mind is

[22:04] open to the possibilities that I can do

[22:07] this you would never be able to do it

[22:11] once the mind starts to believe it can

[22:13] be achieved it then only then that it

[22:17] starts to break down tactically how we

[22:20] can do this

[22:21] until then you can always lose one of

[22:24] the things that we keep hearing

[22:27] recurring and something that we've

[22:29] practiced and we've talked about in our

[22:32] classrooms and on the show a lot is the

[22:36] most successful people are have a very

[22:40] good relationship with the worst parts

[22:42] of themselves where they can have that

[22:44] conversation and they're not hiding from

[22:46] that person they're gonna work with that

[22:48] person or to get around that person to

[22:50] get that person out of the way rather

[22:52] than pretending that it doesn't exist

[22:53] and something else to this is I would

[22:58] think at least I know from my own

[23:00] experience there's always these

[23:03] rationalizations to get you to quit

[23:04] right so we have first your going out

[23:07] there it's the quarter mile that's

[23:09] failure then we're getting to a mile and

[23:11] we're getting there's got to be another

[23:13] conversation with that the other side of

[23:16] you that says listen you went from a

[23:19] 300-pound guy to doing this we're good

[23:22] we showed a lot of people and what

[23:25] there's another conversation of we ain't

[23:27] even begun to finish up what we're doing

[23:30] here right and and how many of those

[23:33] conversations it's like on a daily basis

[23:35] do you have to cast that person aside

[23:37] let's look out you you're done here

[23:39] you've done enough damage it's mine it's

[23:41] my turn well it's funny how you say that

[23:45] because it is a true thing I have so

[23:46] many conversations in my mind because so

[23:48] many times I want to quit

[23:50] but this is what it is this is why I

[23:52] figured out I was so afraid of myself

[23:56] that I had to figure out I became a

[23:58] master of my mind people when you're

[24:01] afraid of something you have to master

[24:03] it that's how you start to overcome it

[24:06] so what I realized when I get to that

[24:08] point where I want to quit everybody

[24:10] they get the point where they want to

[24:11] quit this is what happens the mind tells

[24:13] you let's go home let's take a warm

[24:16] shower let's get some food this is not

[24:19] right this is that if you cannot answer

[24:22] the questions at that moment because

[24:25] your minds gonna start giving you all

[24:26] these questions all these questions and

[24:29] if you can't answer them you're going to

[24:32] quit what I realized

[24:34] I was going through buds Ranger School

[24:36] all this hundred mile race towards at my

[24:38] races pull-up records my mind would come

[24:41] creeping in like I was doing 4030 pups

[24:43] that mm pull of us in my hands are

[24:45] ripped open my mind said look brother

[24:48] we've done all these other things you've

[24:51] proven yourself you're good if I didn't

[24:54] have the answer to respond to my mind

[24:57] and say why I'm here why I'm doing this

[25:00] you will always lose that fight you have

[25:03] to have the response to what your mind

[25:06] is going to tell you another thing about

[25:07] that is self-talk a lot of people have

[25:11] like these big for on mental toughness

[25:13] all that [ __ ] is crap about self-talk

[25:17] visualization it's true but the thing

[25:19] about self talking all these things they

[25:22] asked me what do you think about when

[25:23] you're on mile 100 of a tours and five

[25:25] mile run what are you thinking about

[25:27] when you realize you've run for 24 hours

[25:30] and you have 24 more hours to run and

[25:33] yet another 105 miles what goes through

[25:35] your mind what do you say to yourself I

[25:37] want to know a lot of people think

[25:40] self-talk works it does but doesn't work

[25:43] without the suffering before your mind

[25:47] starts saying we need self-talk so what

[25:50] I tell myself is I go back to the months

[25:54] and years of preparation to get to that

[25:56] day and I'm telling myself the 3:30 in

[26:00] the morning and I'm looking at my shoes

[26:02] and I want to go out there and run 30

[26:04] miles I have to in that second in that

[26:07] moment of this self-talk my myosin you

[26:09] got to find more you gotta find more I

[26:11] once again calmed down go back into my

[26:14] mind and my cookie jar I call it and I

[26:17] had to reflect back on the [ __ ] I did to

[26:20] get here and that becomes my self-talk

[26:22] self-talk does not work unless it is

[26:24] real most of us lie to ourselves in this

[26:28] substance doesn't work it has to be real

[26:30] has to be something that you've done to

[26:32] make it really work now obviously

[26:34] gaining that much weight doesn't happen

[26:36] overnight right bad habits had to form

[26:39] around eating your interactions with

[26:41] food obviously your lack of exercise

[26:43] right how did you start to break those

[26:46] old habits so that you

[26:47] didn't revert back to yourself on the

[26:49] couch right well it's easy to set a

[26:51] challenge oh and reach this goal I want

[26:52] to get through hell week most of us even

[26:55] with diet and exercise can start get to

[26:58] a point and then we tend to revert back

[27:00] to those old habits right the reason why

[27:03] we go back to old habits is because our

[27:04] goals are too lofty we're not achieving

[27:07] our goals fast enough so what happens is

[27:10] you know what man

[27:11] we're very impatient nowadays for me it

[27:16] was good I have a phone I was I was I

[27:19] was out of this world by myself it was a

[27:23] race against David Goggins it wouldn't

[27:25] race against God I'm gonna look good for

[27:27] this person or that person it was me I

[27:29] got to change myself so for me if I lost

[27:32] five pounds in the week I got a feeling

[27:36] I allowed myself to feel proud of that I

[27:39] didn't look I got lose a hundred and six

[27:41] pounds I'm like man I went from 297 now

[27:45] I'm 292 in one week man I'm killing it

[27:50] we don't we're not proud of ourselves

[27:52] for the small accomplishments what we

[27:56] need is we need this monstrosity of the

[27:59] thing to happen say I did it now

[28:02] there's a process that you have to go

[28:04] through and patience is the process and

[28:07] if we don't have patience after a week I

[28:10] haven't lost 30 pounds when I'm done I'm

[28:12] over it so that's why I found out with

[28:14] people man they're not patient enough to

[28:15] realize and to enjoy the moment not

[28:18] living it

[28:18] just enjoy it there's no finish line in

[28:21] life but enjoy that moment Roger that

[28:24] man lost five let me go ten next week so

[28:27] that's the whole thing about it that's

[28:28] how people lose it okay you know

[28:30] something you said there where you said

[28:33] that you were in this race with yourself

[28:35] and that you didn't have a phony you

[28:37] weren't connected to anything else and

[28:38] you didn't have anything to deal with

[28:40] except that other person staring back at

[28:42] you and talking [ __ ] and it was you went

[28:45] to war against that person right and I

[28:47] was we were just talking about this and

[28:49] about how important is an order for you

[28:52] to find yourself we've absolutely

[28:56] there's certainly about suffering or

[28:58] pushing limits that was one aspect of it

[29:01] but also a detachment from all these

[29:03] other influences that are not that keep

[29:06] you from dealing with yourself now

[29:09] obviously we're living in this world

[29:10] today with with all this technology that

[29:13] supposedly keeps us connected but also

[29:15] sort of keeps us separated as well it's

[29:19] a it's a crazy place and mmm how are you

[29:22] gonna build a relationship with yourself

[29:23] over completely distracted all the time

[29:25] you know what being except is one thing

[29:29] that killed me and you have to learn

[29:32] what do you want in your life we have so

[29:36] much influence coming at us that we are

[29:40] so lost we all know what we want to do

[29:42] because we don't spend enough time with

[29:44] ourselves you have to learn to shut off

[29:47] a phone shut off a computer shut off a

[29:50] TV and it's okay to sit in the room by

[29:52] yourself in a chair and just think about

[29:56] you where I want to be where do I see

[29:59] myself tomorrow the next year the next

[30:01] year from that and it takes a lot of

[30:04] self-discipline to be able to do that

[30:06] nowadays because you want to be so it so

[30:08] attached to everything you want to be so

[30:10] caught up with the world the world is

[30:12] moving too fast

[30:13] the rule is moving so fast that you're

[30:15] trying to keep up to the point where you

[30:17] lose yourself in the world so you have

[30:20] to take that time and go to that dark

[30:22] place in your mind and discover who you

[30:23] are was there a time in your past where

[30:27] you realize that you've overcome your

[30:30] old self and really truly felt

[30:32] transformed or do you feel like it's an

[30:34] endless process that you're still

[30:36] building towards it's in this process in

[30:39] this process all that [ __ ] that I went

[30:42] through in my life to get here today

[30:43] it is tattooed it is tattooed in my

[30:47] brain every day I wake up I am

[30:50] constantly battling that person that is

[30:54] like man you know back in the day this

[30:57] happened to you man you know like you

[31:00] got called [ __ ] so many times and your

[31:03] dad beat the [ __ ] out of you man and you

[31:05] know you couldn't read in this dad going

[31:08] Junior you're all these things start to

[31:10] creep up even now where you're at today

[31:12] every day you

[31:14] to constantly battle it's not as bad as

[31:17] it used to be by any means but that

[31:19] person is still there if that person

[31:22] always lives and that's the that's the

[31:23] point about you have to continue to

[31:25] always challenge yourself every day and

[31:28] celebrating those small wins along the

[31:30] way right those small incremental steps

[31:33] also are that fuel yeah you have the

[31:36] suffering you have the past that you're

[31:39] running from and you have these small

[31:42] moments where hey I went 1.3 miles today

[31:45] all right two days ago I was sitting on

[31:47] the couch and not even putting on shoes

[31:49] to go out all right what are those small

[31:52] victories for you today sitting the

[31:54] other side here right because now the

[31:56] feats of strength and physical are just

[32:01] incredible they're literally the

[32:03] listeners are gonna be going on YouTube

[32:04] watching this to see it for themselves

[32:06] well now there are really no small

[32:09] victories now for me because what

[32:11] happens is once you transform yourself

[32:14] and even though I'm still I'm not

[32:17] running from myself I'm constantly

[32:19] facing myself

[32:20] I'm costly battling myself I'm not

[32:22] running from them anymore I used to but

[32:25] now I'm constant battle in them so now

[32:27] what happens is once you get to port in

[32:28] your life when you're able to be on a

[32:30] podcast to be on a TV show and tell

[32:32] everybody how [ __ ] up you are I will

[32:34] answer any question you want about me

[32:36] anything I did anything bad good ugly I

[32:39] will tell you when you get to that point

[32:41] in your life that's where your real

[32:43] journey begins and you no longer have to

[32:45] have a small victory to keep you going

[32:48] you now realize what your purpose in

[32:50] life is and you realize all this shit's

[32:53] just part of it but at first you need

[32:56] all these different tactics to keep you

[32:58] going because you haven't figured it out

[33:00] yet once you figure out that you're in a

[33:02] race amongst billions of people that

[33:05] live in this world you're in a race by

[33:07] yourself you have a purpose and it's

[33:09] your purpose now that rebelliousness

[33:11] purpose it is your purpose and only your

[33:13] purpose and it's your race so then

[33:16] you're like hey ma'am I'm doing my thing

[33:18] I'm doing the best of my ability what's

[33:20] next there's no longer these small

[33:22] increments to get through life because

[33:25] once you figure out why you're here

[33:27] it just becomes a process you know it

[33:30] goes with something I AJ and I were

[33:32] talking about this earlier and it was

[33:35] that someone there was a video of you

[33:37] getting the award from the VFW was it

[33:40] and obviously it choked me up I'm sure

[33:43] check a JEP and there was something that

[33:46] you said in there that was that I I just

[33:49] I loved and I just I just don't we don't

[33:52] see enough of it anymore and what it was

[33:54] was that there's a paraphrase it a lot

[33:58] of people who live in this world who

[33:59] don't know what what they're doing in

[34:03] life what's going on their ass their

[34:05] elbow and they get and they got nothing

[34:07] and and they're confused right and they

[34:09] don't know what it's about

[34:12] and but it's about doing it for the guy

[34:14] next to them right and with so much of

[34:21] all this other influence it just seems

[34:25] that people are their values aren't

[34:28] being held up to any sort of standards

[34:30] right and so now they're become

[34:32] wishy-washy on on even what they stand

[34:36] for as people well of course we have

[34:39] anxiety going through the roof and

[34:41] suicides going through the roof because

[34:43] if you don't have any sort of foundation

[34:46] to stand on then of course you're gonna

[34:50] be sitting through anxiety and something

[34:53] as simple as do it for the man next to

[34:55] you do it for mankind do it for

[34:57] humankind right

[34:59] it's a fantastic I mean would you be

[35:02] able to speak a bit about that yeah that

[35:04] was a moment for me the DFW where I got

[35:06] the Americanism award and what you saw

[35:08] there for me it shocked me also I got a

[35:11] I got choked up teared up I was trying

[35:13] to thank my mom and what happened was

[35:16] all this stuff that you all have heard

[35:18] about my life growing up it's at the

[35:22] surface that's that's just real you know

[35:25] and at that moment it flashed through my

[35:28] head about the journey I had to go

[35:32] through to get to that point to do that

[35:35] and along that journey I feel you know I

[35:38] figured out myself and the biggest

[35:41] trophy

[35:41] ever get in my entire life like I turned

[35:44] on a book deal which we'll talk about

[35:45] soon the biggest trophy that I ever got

[35:48] in my entire life was me was really

[35:50] figuring out me and when I was up on

[35:53] that stage I realized that I realized

[35:56] this it's not about money it's not about

[35:57] Fame it's not about being accepted by

[36:00] your peers and everybody else it's about

[36:03] figuring out who I am and being happy

[36:05] with who the [ __ ] I am even though I'm

[36:08] going to be judged for all these things

[36:10] but you know put a middle finger up to

[36:12] everybody and say this is David Goggins

[36:15] and to get to that point it felt great

[36:17] and that was all about honestly we have

[36:21] to give back we have to be able to go

[36:23] through our journeys in life figure out

[36:25] who we are and help the person beside

[36:27] you figure that [ __ ] out figure out how

[36:31] they can do that themselves well let's

[36:33] go get into that a bit so I believe

[36:38] you're my age 44 43 43 all the all the

[36:45] records of everything that you've been

[36:47] through and all the physical feats and

[36:52] now we're on a new chapter of the book

[36:54] of course you're you're now you know you

[36:58] can probably say that you're the new it

[37:00] guy on the internet everyone what's the

[37:03] we were thrilled when you wanted to come

[37:05] on the show and everyone wants some of

[37:07] your time right and everyone wants to

[37:09] get something from you perhaps a little

[37:11] bit of you can rub off on us that sort

[37:13] of thing and and with with good reason

[37:17] and so we're we're in this new this new

[37:22] world and these new feet these new peeps

[37:24] for yourself say if you'd like to to

[37:26] talk about what brought you to write the

[37:28] book and to go in this direction now at

[37:31] this time well as you know I'm a serious

[37:34] introvert and very afraid of people

[37:40] I got judged so much growing up that

[37:44] this is uncomfortable for me all these

[37:47] podcast you know that's why I post once

[37:48] a week yeah I don't you know people are

[37:51] ugly people are nasty they make me want

[37:53] to choke the [ __ ] out of him

[37:54] and they're just nasty people so I stay

[37:57] away from them but the one thing I

[37:59] realized why I wrote the book is

[38:02] honestly I have a story to tell as we

[38:06] all have a story to tell and what I

[38:09] realized on my journey was a lot of us

[38:11] don't believe that we can achieve the

[38:14] impossible and along my journey I

[38:17] started realizing man I gotta [ __ ]

[38:20] tell some people about this [ __ ] man

[38:22] like I discover something that some

[38:25] people have but they don't even [ __ ]

[38:27] know all of us have it but along this

[38:30] way I wasn't like I said I wasn't a

[38:31] theorist I became a practitioner and I

[38:33] was like my god I'm busting down so many

[38:35] barriers of like I've a learning

[38:37] disability okay but I'm catching up with

[38:41] everybody

[38:41] I heard that out I figured out all these

[38:44] negative things in my life that were

[38:45] keeping me in this whole like I gotta

[38:48] tell people man that hang on a second

[38:50] man you can [ __ ] achieve the absolute

[38:54] impossible you don't need great parents

[38:55] you don't need like a private school you

[38:58] don't need to have this humongous GPA

[39:00] and all the third [ __ ] what you need is

[39:03] the one thing I talked on my book what's

[39:05] your straight up brutal work ethic you

[39:08] have to be willing to outwork everybody

[39:11] in the world and that that that's the

[39:15] hard part that's the hard part this

[39:17] isn't like some five step process where

[39:20] you can do these five [ __ ] steps

[39:21] you're gonna end up with this magical

[39:24] world now I'm basically teaching you how

[39:28] to callus over your victims mentality

[39:31] I'm teaching you how to like I did sixty

[39:35] seven thousand pull-ups and training for

[39:37] the pull-up record I was seriously

[39:39] calloused in my hands to protect them

[39:41] what I'm trying to do with people teach

[39:44] them how to find more themselves to

[39:47] where they empower themselves I'm all

[39:48] about the underdog so that's all that so

[39:50] that's what the books all about masks

[39:51] all about having that step process and I

[39:53] had to share this with people well I

[39:55] also feel and personally struggling with

[39:57] social anxiety and introversion myself

[39:59] the hardest part of all of it is being

[40:01] vulnerable enough to admit the abuse

[40:03] submit the past most of us don't want

[40:06] other people to know that

[40:07] that's right hardest part to open up and

[40:09] be that vulnerable right when did that

[40:12] start to bubble to the surface for you

[40:14] and you start to see vulnerability as a

[40:15] strength

[40:16] well worse doesn't make me I had to stop

[40:20] giving a [ __ ] about people that was the

[40:22] biggest thing I had to stop caring what

[40:24] people thought about me I realized that

[40:26] everybody's [ __ ] up that's the one

[40:28] thing I realized I walked around I put

[40:30] these people on a [ __ ] pedestal

[40:33] everybody was better than me so I can't

[40:35] tell you anything about me cuz you're

[40:37] gonna judge me and I feel even worse

[40:38] than what I am what I realized once I

[40:41] calm my mind down and sat back and

[40:43] looked at how jacked up this world is

[40:45] once you realize that you are not alone

[40:48] everybody that's talking to you about

[40:51] how jacked up you are only thing they've

[40:53] done better than you is they've hidden

[40:56] their fucked-up world better than you

[40:59] have that's all they've done so once I

[41:02] realized that if you want to sit back

[41:04] it's like for instance there's all these

[41:06] things they're on TV and we have all

[41:08] these news people judging people who

[41:10] [ __ ] up in life yeah they made big

[41:12] mistakes but that person who was judging

[41:15] you on TV I guaran-damn-tee you that

[41:17] that news person is am glad that my [ __ ]

[41:20] didn't come out Butler just a hell out

[41:22] of you I know that about people so if

[41:25] you want to sit back and judge how

[41:26] jacked up I was and I messed up my wife

[41:28] was Merry Christmas go for it have a

[41:30] good time but I'm smiling at you right

[41:32] now knowing you have a secret that

[41:34] you're not willing to share it gives you

[41:37] a lot of power when you're able to go on

[41:38] a podcast that's big and say hey tell me

[41:42] I'll tell you anything you want to know

[41:44] kind no longer care and that is a lot of

[41:48] power in that to be able to put your

[41:50] life on a billboard for the whole world

[41:52] to see and say judge it man judge it

[41:55] like just me talking about it makes me

[41:57] feel good and yes and that's another

[41:59] thing about it when you are willing to

[42:00] talk about how jacked up you are this

[42:03] strength

[42:04] that big rock that you carry it just

[42:07] starts to come off here it just starts

[42:09] to come off that's why I do a so often

[42:11] like hey man I'll tell you need anyone

[42:12] no I'm tired of being afraid

[42:14] I'm tired of not telling you [ __ ] out of

[42:17] line about how good I'm not you know and

[42:20] in prepping for this interview I was

[42:23] hanging out with my girlfriend Amy

[42:24] listening to part of the Joe Rogan

[42:27] episode and what was so remarkable to

[42:29] both of us is most people who get into

[42:32] the motivational coaching space they

[42:34] just want to celebrate their victories

[42:36] and show how awesome and amazing they

[42:38] are and paint themselves as the best

[42:39] right

[42:40] and you unabashedly admit that you're

[42:43] not the best long-distance runner no I'm

[42:45] not the best guy at pull-ups but I'm

[42:47] gonna push myself beyond what I deem is

[42:50] the best right and through that process

[42:52] come out the other side and earn

[42:54] everyone's respect the motivation when

[42:57] people are losing all these people who

[42:59] come out here and talk about how great

[43:00] they are and I see it all time makes me

[43:02] sick man get real with yourself people

[43:05] can not relate to you man you are

[43:07] un-fuckin'-believable when you come out

[43:10] here and say hey man I'm the baddest

[43:12] [ __ ] to ever live okay great

[43:15] well I what am I gonna learn from you

[43:17] you learn from people who are willing to

[43:21] tell you this is where I started from

[43:23] this is how much I fell on my [ __ ]

[43:25] ass this is how bad I used to really be

[43:27] I still have those moments because why

[43:30] you're human we're all jacked up man

[43:33] we're all jacked up and that's what

[43:36] makes my story relatable I'm willing to

[43:38] let you in to see I'm decently

[43:40] successful now but I didn't come out

[43:43] like this man I didn't come out that's

[43:46] the story is you have to give people

[43:48] just a little bit of hope there's no

[43:51] hope when they see greatness in you

[43:54] everywhere you have to be able to get

[43:57] yourself down to a level of check it out

[43:59] man there's hope for you

[44:01] that's what I'm trying to give you just

[44:04] a little bit and obviously the the pain

[44:08] you went through the suffering and these

[44:10] feats of physical strength this idea

[44:13] that the body can always heal and the

[44:16] mind can always heal these calluses can

[44:18] be built so whether it's 200 plus miles

[44:21] whether it's your hands or dog meat from

[44:24] doing the pull-ups your hands are healed

[44:27] that's right

[44:27] your mind is healed right

[44:29] and we have this ability inside of us

[44:33] most of us go through life never even

[44:35] scratching the surface of it right what

[44:38] was the physical healing process like

[44:41] after that first real physical bout for

[44:45] you where you went through whether it

[44:46] was hell week I don't know what on the

[44:48] scale of what you've done to this point

[44:50] going through the list well I thought it

[44:52] was my third hell week that went through

[44:55] when I got through with that first

[44:57] hundred mile race that I did around that

[44:59] one-mile tract I didn't prepare for and

[45:01] I was considerably it was horrible and

[45:06] I'll never forget I found such peace and

[45:12] beauty and I got there I was in the

[45:13] worst pain in my [ __ ] life and I got

[45:17] done and my wife pulled the car up on

[45:19] the my ex-wife pulled the car up on this

[45:21] little lawn and I got in the back of it

[45:24] and I got the stairs I'm not gonna go

[45:26] through the whole story but I remember

[45:27] laying in the tub and she put the shower

[45:30] on me and I ran a hundred and one miles

[45:33] in like nineteen hours and I was like

[45:35] peeing dirt out of me and I'm sitting

[45:38] there and I'm jackhammering and my body

[45:41] is just the most broken has ever been

[45:43] even to this day and this feeling came

[45:46] over me call it crazy if you want but

[45:48] very few people I guarantee ever felt

[45:50] this before to push themselves so far

[45:52] outside of what they thought was even

[45:54] possible even for me I laid in that tub

[45:57] and I didn't want it to go away

[45:59] I had drained myself of every bit of

[46:05] strength energy I had and it was the

[46:10] best feeling ahead of my life

[46:11] all that pain it was it was confirmation

[46:15] it was confirmation that I had gone

[46:18] through a crucible and I have figured

[46:21] out another level of David Goggins a

[46:24] level that I thought was humanly

[46:26] impossible for anybody to do when I was

[46:28] at Mile 70 and [ __ ] and pissed all over

[46:30] myself and had 30 more miles to go and I

[46:33] was damn near dead and I was able to go

[46:36] 31 more miles in that process of the

[46:39] next 31 more miles I

[46:42] found out more about myself in that 31

[46:44] miles than ever had in my entire life

[46:47] the conversations the mental blocks the

[46:50] roadblocks

[46:51] everything horrible it was just feeding

[46:55] at me like Lightspeed get the [ __ ] out

[46:57] of here man like I was able to figure

[47:00] out different tactics when I finally got

[47:03] done with that and elating that tub and

[47:04] it was over the feeling of my god man

[47:07] you just really discovered a whole new

[47:11] world a whole new part of the brain that

[47:14] guarantee very few people have so it's a

[47:18] it's a feeling I can't even describe and

[47:20] with the success of Jesse's book living

[47:24] with the seal obviously Fame came

[47:26] knocking at your door

[47:27] everyone wanted your story publishers

[47:29] came to you okay when can we write your

[47:31] book you chose a different path to

[47:34] self-publish well on that I'm that thing

[47:36] right there was it didn't do much for me

[47:38] so the book living to seal my name

[47:41] wasn't in it and I didn't even know

[47:43] really I knew is being written by had

[47:46] nothing to do the book right so all that

[47:49] came to me much later but yeah but yeah

[47:51] but that's how you appeared on the map

[47:53] once I figured out that you were the

[47:55] seal and people wanted to hear your

[47:57] story

[47:58] obviously everything you do is well

[48:01] thought-out right there's a plan in

[48:02] place there's a strategy behind it

[48:04] you've now chose the path to self

[48:06] publish this book we got a copy of the

[48:09] manuscript we've been digging in

[48:10] enjoying the backstory that we haven't

[48:12] heard on some of these other shows

[48:14] because everyone wants to talk about the

[48:15] physical side of things right what made

[48:18] you decide to go that route and sharing

[48:20] your story well I sat back and I had the

[48:22] top five people come at me top five

[48:24] publishing houses it was down to the

[48:26] last two and they're offering $300,000

[48:30] I'm a first-time you know first-time

[48:33] author and I decided to go with one of

[48:35] them and $300,000 for a guy at me I'm

[48:38] Sinbad you know that's pretty good money

[48:40] so a few days before I was gonna sign

[48:43] the contract I sat back talk to my

[48:45] fiance my family and everybody's like

[48:48] you know hey you know this is good this

[48:50] is great whatever but

[48:54] I started thinking about my life I

[48:57] started thinking about everything that

[48:59] I've gone through my life everything I

[49:01] had gone through and had a chance to

[49:03] reflect and that's one thing I never did

[49:05] in my life long enough is have time to

[49:08] reflect I was always what's next what's

[49:11] next what's next what's next what's next

[49:13] now that I'm retired and you have a lot

[49:16] of time to look back on what you've done

[49:18] where you started where you're at now

[49:20] and I said you know what it's just not

[49:23] for sale

[49:25] $300,000 isn't even a fraction of enough

[49:28] money to sell this so I decided not to

[49:30] sign it and I saw published I pissed a

[49:33] lot of people off and I said I'm not

[49:36] signing this I'm going to self-published

[49:38] and that's kind of how it came to be I

[49:40] took that time to reflect and I'd rather

[49:41] not make a [ __ ] dime I wrote this

[49:44] book and that's honest to God's truth I

[49:46] am fine with the trophy I have in my

[49:50] mind and who is this book for who

[49:52] listening is going to be the most

[49:53] impacted by this book I'm all about it's

[49:57] not about the underdog so much I think

[49:59] we're all an underdog I think I think

[50:02] the top CEO on the planet earth still

[50:05] has that doubt yeah I don't give a [ __ ]

[50:07] where you're from Kobe Bryant Michael

[50:10] Jordan the best on the planet we're all

[50:12] underdogs

[50:13] whether you're underdog because you put

[50:15] yourself there to be hungry or yes a

[50:17] real-life underdog we're all an underdog

[50:20] and so this this is about the mind and

[50:24] people discovering the mind their own

[50:27] mind and one thing I know is we all have

[50:30] an equation we all have an equation like

[50:32] you know I'll talk about three point you

[50:34] know three point one four is PI there's

[50:37] different equations to figure out

[50:39] different kind of you know mathematical

[50:40] problems we as human beings are

[50:43] mathematical problems I cannot give you

[50:46] a book for every [ __ ] body in this

[50:49] world that's what my book even though

[50:51] it's one book is tailored to the

[50:53] individual it's not like you do these

[50:56] five steps you're good

[50:58] no I'm helping you figure out your

[51:01] [ __ ] equation because it's different

[51:04] microwaves difference between your

[51:05] equation what

[51:06] to make you tick what's gonna make you

[51:08] go the distance what's gonna make you go

[51:09] to a spot in hell and say I love this

[51:11] spot it's okay that's what this book

[51:15] does it helps you figure out your 3.14

[51:18] helps you figure out your [ __ ]

[51:20] mathematical equation to say oh because

[51:22] once you figure out the equation any

[51:24] math problem

[51:25] you no longer fail man you got it

[51:28] figured out so in going coming out here

[51:32] would you have a big publicity run right

[51:34] at the books coming out you got a bunch

[51:36] of podcasts that to go on thank you for

[51:38] coming on ours with that comes a lot of

[51:43] new things sir it's for such a

[51:45] no-nonsense guy to have to deal with the

[51:48] social media now and I have was having a

[51:52] vision of of you having to deal with it

[51:54] I didn't we talk about its detrimental

[51:57] and how its it is just nonsense and

[52:00] noise but of course do you want to reach

[52:04] as many people as you can with this book

[52:06] and everything that's going on

[52:07] so I was kind of curious of dealing with

[52:10] social media I know that you're on it we

[52:12] were talking about this earlier do you

[52:14] have a discipline it's like okay well

[52:16] for two hours every night I guess I

[52:18] cannot deal with this stupid thing and

[52:20] talk to these people who have reached

[52:22] out or what is your approach to that

[52:24] well my approach is every Monday okay

[52:27] you're gonna get one post from me a week

[52:29] and I take about maybe an hour to hour

[52:33] and a half after so I'll post it I'll do

[52:37] it and then I get away from it I'm gone

[52:39] here's your post and I make sure that

[52:41] every single post is not about me

[52:44] so this [ __ ] ain't about me man I'm

[52:46] about you figuring out you some people

[52:49] take it personal something get you

[52:50] little butt hurt this is about you

[52:53] figuring out your self-talk has to

[52:55] change the most important conversation

[52:57] you ever have is the one you have with

[52:58] your [ __ ] self you walk around with

[53:00] it all day you act on it pretty soon

[53:02] good or bad

[53:03] I want you to change who you are so let

[53:06] you look at it after about an hour -

[53:09] I'll come back and start answering a few

[53:10] of these you know questions no sleepin

[53:12] say hey how you do this how you do that

[53:13] maybe an hour and a half two hours I'll

[53:15] answer it and I'm done I'm off because

[53:18] why

[53:19] I'm still I'm still chipping away at

[53:22] David Goggins every single day if I

[53:24] spend so much time being occupied by

[53:28] that I cannot chip away at what's

[53:32] important what's important I'm still

[53:34] figuring out this you know different

[53:35] things yeah I got the equation figured

[53:37] out but what but now the real journey

[53:40] has begun so I'm still chipping away at

[53:42] life still chipping away at life a giant

[53:46] I have started to really throw ourselves

[53:48] into the training for the race and and

[53:51] really pushing ourselves physically for

[53:53] a large chunk of my life the physical

[53:56] was not that important right was average

[53:58] at everything not really concerned about

[54:00] hitting the gym certainly didn't care

[54:02] about what other people thought about

[54:03] the way that I looked physically because

[54:05] I was average I've now come out the

[54:09] other side and we talk about this all

[54:10] the time you know that at Dorf and rush

[54:12] after completing the run that feeling

[54:15] you get after crushing your PR in the

[54:17] gym right pushing yourself beyond that

[54:19] mental governor that we all have what

[54:22] are your thoughts on people who are

[54:25] unsure about their own physical strength

[54:27] do you feel that everyone should push

[54:28] themselves physically and that's a

[54:30] really important part of making you who

[54:32] you were

[54:32] I think pushing yourself physically is

[54:35] the number one factor of life that is

[54:40] the true spot where you can really dive

[54:43] deep into life's about self-discipline

[54:47] it is about self-discipline we tend to

[54:50] do the things that are easy and that is

[54:53] the it builds no mental toughness if

[54:55] there's no mental hardening it builds

[54:57] nothing when you work out working out is

[55:00] where you can build that to fastest

[55:03] because it's a constant it gives you

[55:05] instant feedback it's it yeah you may

[55:08] not lose the weight you want to real

[55:09] fast but the discipline it takes it

[55:12] transfers over to all aspects of your

[55:14] life it's not people man why are you

[55:17] always working out don't stop stop

[55:19] looking at that way this is the

[55:22] foundation of life when you look in the

[55:25] mirror every morning we all look in the

[55:27] mirror to get ready to go to work to go

[55:29] anywhere the first thing you see is your

[55:31] flexion if you like what you see in the

[55:34] morning you lost the war already it's

[55:37] not even liking what you see it's about

[55:39] looking in mirror and you may start man

[55:40] I feel different that reflection maybe

[55:43] that that reflex is not everything

[55:45] it's a feeling you're supposed to get so

[55:47] you have to in life once you leave your

[55:50] house the war begins in your house you

[55:53] have some control and that reflects in

[55:55] that mirror you have to control that

[55:57] reflection in the mirror that's how you

[55:58] start your day leave your house feeling

[56:00] like okay I can fight I've established

[56:03] the mentality to fight and that all that

[56:05] comes from working out it's not just

[56:07] from you know you can't find that in the

[56:10] office and what we've discovered and

[56:13] chatted about on the show with a lot of

[56:15] our guests is morning and nighttime

[56:17] rituals to prepare yourself mentally for

[56:21] the day for that war outside the door

[56:22] right obviously you're controlling your

[56:24] environment in the morning and same with

[56:26] night I think especially when it comes

[56:28] to feats of strength and physical

[56:29] ability you got to recharge you gotta

[56:31] recover right so how you wind down at

[56:34] night and getting a full night's rest

[56:35] scientifically is proven to change

[56:37] everything physically mentally

[56:39] emotionally

[56:39] what are those habits you've built up

[56:42] around your morning and nighttime

[56:43] routine

[56:44] well my morning routine is every day I

[56:46] get up and run every single day because

[56:50] why I hate that the most so that is we

[56:53] share that feeling yes back to mo so you

[56:56] have to do something that sucks every

[56:58] day because why once you overcome to

[57:00] suck

[57:01] oh now you're powerful you've overcome

[57:04] yourself already so now you're ready to

[57:06] battle I go to the gym about four times

[57:08] a week but my biggest thing I do is my

[57:11] nighttime routine I stretch out anywhere

[57:14] from two to four hours every night for

[57:16] the last five but it used to be a lot

[57:18] longer than that

[57:19] and I talked about in my book why I

[57:20] started doing this thing but I had

[57:22] through my whole life as you see I was

[57:24] using my fight-or-flight muscle I was

[57:26] under severe stress as a child growing

[57:28] up my job whatever a lot of stress just

[57:31] sitting down right now raw using our

[57:33] soul as muscle you hit flexor muscle and

[57:36] I'll give you a two second on that that

[57:39] muscle attached to your t12

[57:42] and about five or six years ago I got

[57:45] really really sick doctors giving me all

[57:48] kind of hormones take this take this

[57:50] take this and it's in the book real good

[57:52] so I won't go deep into it now but lay

[57:54] back and I literally said you know I'm

[57:56] dying the doctors can't figure out

[57:58] what's wrong with me my blood tests were

[58:00] coming back fine I just said my I can't

[58:03] even run a block I read from a 205 miles

[58:06] that came around a block I'm in my bed

[58:07] sitting there and I started realizing

[58:09] how these humongous knots all my hip

[58:12] flexors and back in my head and I said

[58:16] I'm just done

[58:18] so I started slowly stretching out I

[58:19] couldn't do anything over a period of a

[58:22] couple of years I got off this

[58:24] medication that medication I was on like

[58:27] 50 I was on several medication I'm on

[58:29] one and honestly I would I believe no

[58:33] doctors have said this is what happened

[58:34] to you I was literally so tight I was

[58:37] cutting off blood supply in different

[58:40] places in my organs the more opened up

[58:42] my body so now I went from running eight

[58:44] thirty mile on a training run to now

[58:47] running a 7:15 and seven-minute mile on

[58:48] a training run at the same heart rate

[58:50] and it's not because I'm training any

[58:53] different it's just because my body my

[58:55] body's opened up its lot more blood flow

[58:57] so every night I stretch out and it's

[58:59] truly nice to be wound so [ __ ] tight

[59:02] like I couldn't sit in this chair for

[59:04] this long I'm like I could get out of

[59:06] here man people here I go it's totally

[59:08] changed my whole perspective of life

[59:10] it's changed everything so stretching

[59:12] out yoga all those things has put me in

[59:15] a whole different state of mind its

[59:17] healthiest I've been in my entire life

[59:19] merely and physically now your lovely

[59:22] fiance's in the room yes how does this

[59:25] relationship balance work when you have

[59:27] such lofty goals for yourself physical

[59:29] challenges you want to chip away at

[59:31] David Goggins every day how do you two

[59:34] work together so that she can reach her

[59:36] personal goals but then also as a couple

[59:38] you guys can recharge well the best

[59:41] thing you got to find someone that is

[59:44] just like you

[59:46] she has the same kind of ambition that I

[59:50] have so but we're all about is where do

[59:53] you want to go next and she's like that

[59:56] with me and I'm pushing her like the

[59:58] same way so it can't be all about David

[60:00] Goggins it can't be all about David

[60:03] Goggins you have to be able to sacrifice

[60:05] oh hey okay

[60:06] Jennifer what the [ __ ] do you want to do

[60:08] next and we got to put all of our cars

[60:11] into that [ __ ] so it's a I don't believe

[60:14] in a lot of balance in life because to

[60:18] be the best at anything in life that

[60:21] scale has to be a little [ __ ] up has

[60:24] to be but in this situation right here

[60:27] she asked no I got her back like she has

[60:30] my back so it's not all about me so we

[60:32] weren't good together that way the one

[60:35] of the big things that I feel a lot of

[60:37] us have in our lives is the doubters

[60:41] especially the doubters from family

[60:43] members and people really close to us

[60:45] that we don't want to lose but are

[60:47] telling us no you can't your dreams are

[60:49] too big that's impossible what the hell

[60:51] is wrong with you David right how do you

[60:53] deal with those people in your life that

[60:55] you still care about but are like you

[60:57] can't run 200 miles what is wrong with

[60:59] you you're gonna kill yourself well the

[61:00] honest answer to that question is

[61:03] there's a lot of them out there but most

[61:06] of them are that way for one big reason

[61:08] they can't see themselves doing it they

[61:11] can't see themselves doing it it's one

[61:13] big reason the other reason is a lot of

[61:15] it is jealousy when you set these

[61:18] humongous [ __ ] goals and they see

[61:20] that you're getting at it let's say for

[61:23] instance we have a family I said we're

[61:24] all a big family here all three of us

[61:26] all four of us are a big family and

[61:28] every [ __ ] morning I'm getting up

[61:29] training for tours at Mile Run and you

[61:32] see me get a four o'clock in the morning

[61:34] and all you [ __ ] are sleeping and by

[61:37] the time I get done running my xxx you

[61:38] come I come home just getting up how you

[61:40] gonna feel about yourself a lot of times

[61:43] in your overachiever and you have people

[61:46] that's what talk about the mediocrity

[61:47] thing a lot of our family members a lot

[61:49] of our friends they're mediocre there's

[61:52] always those couple of guys who are

[61:54] uncommon who want to be better but you

[61:57] make that mediocre [ __ ] feel

[61:58] like [ __ ]

[61:59] but it's your mom your dad whoever you

[62:02] make him feel horrible I've been there

[62:03] I'm speaking from experience you get

[62:05] some my around you may who's trying to

[62:07] be better and you don't have the drive

[62:09] that they have it's a constant reminder

[62:12] of how [ __ ] up you are you have to

[62:15] know that that's what it is anybody in

[62:18] your core is not saying man get after

[62:19] but I'm so proud of you

[62:20] they have a problem with themselves

[62:22] because all you trying to do is achieve

[62:24] more if that's a problem for somebody

[62:27] you have to look at them and say man you

[62:30] really have a [ __ ] problem with

[62:32] yourself huh it's much deeper than what

[62:34] you think it lies deep in your soul how

[62:37] I was able to fix myself was I saw how

[62:40] ugly I was towards other people who were

[62:42] great I was able to look back and say

[62:46] man you don't hate that [ __ ] for

[62:48] any reason because he's great and you're

[62:50] lazy you're lazy he makes you feel like

[62:54] [ __ ] every single day it's where it

[62:57] comes from you gotta know you have to

[62:59] know where [ __ ] comes from to be able to

[63:02] solve it you know it's interesting about

[63:05] that a lot of people talk about you know

[63:08] you'll find out who your true friends

[63:09] are winter at your lowest that's right

[63:11] you'll also find out who your true

[63:12] friends are when you're rising a

[63:14] hardship % probably even more when you

[63:16] rise I believe so and just for the work

[63:19] we've been doing and the slack we'd be

[63:21] getting from people it's like well like

[63:23] I can't if this is the way you're gonna

[63:25] be you gotta go that's right because I I

[63:27] have things that I want to do a hundred

[63:29] percent with everything that you've

[63:31] accomplished and you still have a

[63:34] lifetime to go right is there something

[63:36] that you want to be known for the one

[63:39] thing that you want to stand out through

[63:40] all of these accomplishments and be

[63:42] remembered for honestly I honestly want

[63:47] to be considered one of the hardest men

[63:49] to walk the planet Earth in the history

[63:51] of the world and I mean by hard I'm not

[63:54] talking about the guy who gets the most

[63:56] pull-ups the most sit-ups runs the most

[63:58] just a person who's able to overcome any

[64:02] adversity in front of him to figure out

[64:04] a way hardest isn't about all this

[64:08] physical [ __ ] man yeah it helped me get

[64:10] to where I'm at

[64:12] but all I was doing in the whole process

[64:14] the process wouldn't be ripped it

[64:17] wouldn't walk around my shirt off that

[64:18] wasn't it I knew through the physical

[64:20] challenges do the physical suffering my

[64:24] mind was getting stronger

[64:25] I was literally doing that for a reason

[64:28] I had a weak mind all the rest has

[64:32] happened to come with it I was trying to

[64:34] strengthen the mind to handle all that

[64:37] all the judgment that's passed on me

[64:39] perceived and not sometimes you make it

[64:42] up in your own head you know I I just

[64:45] want to be able to handle all of that

[64:46] everything physical mental I want to be

[64:50] perceived as that like the old-school

[64:52] barbarian Oh school god it's like god

[64:54] man

[64:56] nothing can hurt the guy which is why

[64:58] the book is titled can't hurt me I want

[65:01] people to have that mantra in their life

[65:04] take that with you take it everywhere

[65:06] you go in life and if you believe that

[65:08] and you work towards that cows in your

[65:11] mind strengthen yourself can't hurt me

[65:14] is strong in any situation like Niles

[65:16] and Buzz they beat the [ __ ] out of you

[65:18] I'd be the first one to get said can't

[65:20] hurt me [ __ ] and they were

[65:22] beating the hell out of me but you say

[65:24] that enough to you

[65:25] false motivation becomes [ __ ] real

[65:27] motivation after well what's the next

[65:30] big challenge for you what's the next

[65:32] thing you're tackling honestly the next

[65:34] big challenge right now is what I'm

[65:36] doing right now like I when I was in

[65:41] sixth grade I started real bad severely

[65:45] bad fifth sixth grade fourth grade

[65:47] horrible yep like my hair would fall out

[65:51] why splashes over my skin horrible

[65:54] horrible anxiety so me talking about

[65:58] myself as much as I am on stage on

[66:01] podcast I'm still overcoming you're

[66:05] still battling because it's comfortable

[66:07] for me to say I'm office so to meet you

[66:08] know don't talk to me I'm good go back

[66:10] to be my hermit this is very

[66:12] uncomfortable so I'm constantly coming

[66:14] outside of my comfort zones and doing

[66:15] this stuff now sharing my story with

[66:17] people as much as I can and do you do

[66:20] any coaching of

[66:22] clients in terms of physical or mental

[66:24] obviously motivational speaking opens up

[66:27] these opportunities to take on

[66:29] one-on-one or group coaching clients so

[66:31] I do take on clients but a select few

[66:34] because what I realized is I'm not a

[66:36] cookie cutter type of guy I'm not here

[66:39] to take your money I don't you know I'm

[66:41] here to help you if you're coming in to

[66:43] work with a guy like me who knows that

[66:46] you have to have thick skin to get

[66:48] better you have to call yourself out if

[66:50] you're fat and you're [ __ ] up I want

[66:53] to hear that I don't want to hear you

[66:55] tap dancing around [ __ ] so I don't take

[66:58] on many clients because when you work

[67:00] with me we're gonna get to the root of

[67:02] the [ __ ] problem and a lot of people

[67:04] don't want to go there they don't want

[67:06] to talk about the childhood they don't

[67:08] talk about their past they don't get to

[67:09] root the problems and then they go why

[67:11] am I not getting better because there's

[67:13] a lot of [ __ ] in there you haven't dealt

[67:14] with brother you know people go to the

[67:16] gym like for instance going through any

[67:18] kind of Special Operations school these

[67:20] people go to the gym they get big they

[67:23] get jacked they can run fast all that

[67:25] [ __ ] but all they're doing is they're

[67:28] coding over the mind all you're doing is

[67:31] building a bigger stronger quitter your

[67:35] mind hasn't got any stronger because you

[67:36] haven't gone back in there and dealt

[67:38] with [ __ ] so second adversity comes like

[67:40] my god I'm so [ __ ] fit what's wrong

[67:43] your mind is still soft so I work on the

[67:48] mind what's the application process like

[67:52] that sounds like hell we speaking on on

[67:55] that application process so you know

[67:59] Jesse's been out there in the his book

[68:00] and we know from his perspective of

[68:03] seeing you and him thinking of how and

[68:06] he's given his story of how you guys met

[68:08] and what he was thinking when he had saw

[68:10] you but we don't know your side of it of

[68:12] what Jesse coming up to you talk to you

[68:15] and asking I don't even know if that was

[68:18] the plan at first but what you must have

[68:21] been thinking with this this crazy guy

[68:23] who's out there with the the circus

[68:25] running around this race

[68:26] the trainer's lasted one big thing right

[68:29] there is uh

[68:30] and I don't ask your question is but

[68:31] what you said you know I live with this

[68:33] guy for a couple you know a few weeks

[68:35] yeah this is a lifestyle

[68:39] you can't temporarily dive into it

[68:43] sprinkle it around sample it out and

[68:46] roll out this is something man that you

[68:48] had to acquire as a part of your

[68:50] everyday grind but when Jesse came up to

[68:53] me after this race I was so like back

[68:59] then I was very like don't talk to me

[69:01] [ __ ]

[69:01] yeah type of person it was very weird

[69:04] you know because my life especially then

[69:07] I didn't know when he's soft and I

[69:09] looked at everything in his life that's

[69:11] very like you can't get hard man it's

[69:13] impossible why because you have your

[69:17] refrigerator in your mind is so full

[69:20] you've arrived it's hard to take a

[69:23] person that arrives take him in the

[69:25] [ __ ] bring him down to the [ __ ]

[69:27] sewer with me and say okay now we're

[69:29] gonna live now we're gonna figure out so

[69:31] imagine that young guys you know maids

[69:35] drivers masseuses chefs and I'm taking

[69:39] this gameis okay man we're now gonna

[69:41] live in hell

[69:42] it was very it's it's tough yeah and the

[69:46] difference being he knew counting down

[69:49] the days 23 22 days he went back to I

[69:52] live in the life yeah and see it's hard

[69:56] for me and this is no cut on anybody

[69:58] I had to mature a lot not everybody's

[70:01] David Gardens it's hard for me to

[70:03] respect people who are able to come in

[70:07] to that world and leave sure this is a

[70:10] [ __ ] lifestyle man like and people

[70:13] wonder why am I not achieving more it's

[70:16] because what you what all of us once we

[70:19] achieve something we celebrate for a

[70:21] long years [ __ ] time and we wonder why

[70:25] don't I have drive anymore where's it

[70:27] all that if you don't develop a routine

[70:30] of suffering and sufferings not like go

[70:33] out and kill yourself every day it's

[70:35] being uncomfortable yeah that keeps you

[70:38] hungry every day

[70:39] if you live in your victories for so

[70:41] long and say I'm gonna go challenge

[70:43] myself for 30 days or for two weeks or

[70:45] one this run this one marathon and is I

[70:49] did one marathon okay that's why it

[70:53] leaves you it leaves you because you

[70:56] haven't set up the next obstacle

[70:58] obstacles is how you grow you must

[71:01] continue to have friction friction is

[71:04] where growth is at with no friction

[71:05] there's no growth I love that no growth

[71:08] so where can we find the book where can

[71:11] we pick up a copy in and apply for this

[71:14] coaching everything what can't hurt me

[71:19] the book the audio all the everything

[71:22] for can't hurt me is on Amazon so you go

[71:25] to Amazon it's uh it's just a book about

[71:28] the mind better yourself fighting that

[71:30] finding that uh three point one for

[71:33] finding your percentage finding how did

[71:35] your equation and removing the theory

[71:37] removing the talking about and branding

[71:39] the practice theory we cannot listen to

[71:42] theorists so what there is do is they

[71:46] take a hundred people and they study the

[71:52] normal people of the world they're all

[71:55] studies there's a whole bunch of people

[71:58] outside the normal they haven't done

[72:00] Studies on they haven't done Studies on

[72:02] the people who are seriously great who

[72:06] are seriously great they take studies

[72:08] off of normal people you cannot live in

[72:11] that normal - you must be your best on

[72:13] your worst day and how you do that is

[72:17] you cannot think of a normal mindset

[72:21] you can I have a normal set I love it

[72:24] thank you I've no thank you ristic

[72:26] conversation I appreciate you taking on

[72:29] this challenge because sharing this

[72:30] stuff and this viewpoint right it's easy

[72:33] to get the trophies these days it's easy

[72:35] to be coddled there's not enough people

[72:37] speaking the real truth that you suck

[72:39] and you got a do [ __ ] that sucks to get

[72:42] better right and that message we're

[72:44] happy to spread it has impacted both of

[72:47] us is why we took on the challenges that

[72:49] we continue to take on half marathon

[72:51] we're gonna shoot for a marathon next

[72:52] let's keep moving because what else is

[72:55] there to do in life that's it man

[72:56] there's nothing else to do life is one

[72:58] big head game one big mind game it's

[73:01] like one person playing it yourself so

[73:04] you learn to win - my game thank you so

[73:06] much

[73:12] you